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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:51 pm 
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There is a place in South Florida called Coral Castle. It is made entirely of the "bedrock" of Florida which is, of course, dead coral which time has covered with soil.

One man, one mind you, made the entire thing by himself for his "Sweet Sixteen". Some of the blocks rivaled the stones of the Great Pyramids. If that was not enough when his neighbors moved too close he packed up the whole kit and kaboodle then moved and re-erectected it elsewhere.

When asked how all of this was accomplished he stated that he had learned the Egyptian secrets of weight and balance. There are some stories of him "singing" to the stones as they apparently floated next to him and he moved them about. This story was told by some children who were watching him late at night, when he did most of his work, with out him knowing.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:06 am 
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Howdy Neal

The 'mystery' of the castle is examined here:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _n16418737


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i thought that article was fairly fiar...mon frer.
leaves it an unknown, but offers probable solutions.

this guy is impressive: [url=http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/Page1.htm

dont']http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/Page1.htm

dont'[/url] know about lehner, though.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:22 pm 
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Thankee Lune.


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Yeah I was going to mention that guy, plus there were several others in the pre-internet days who rediscovered the same thing. I once moved a four ton stone with 8 grad students - so yes you can do it, especially if you have leverage and balance (we cheated and used a simple pulley and sled). The use of a sled -using the compressability limits of wood - you can move most things. The heaviest item moved without winches was a 900 ton statute in Egypt - the inspiration of the Oxyzmandius poem. The larger stones at Baalbek, the well known one and the more recently refound one were actually never moved. At 1000-1250 tons they would have challenged even the Romans.

My pleasure Neal, there are real mysteries in the world but the Coral Castle ain't one of them!

(Edited by Lune at 9:56 am on Feb. 13, 2007)


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like crop circles, i agree that we have possible...even probable explanations for the construction of Coral Castle. but until it is truly replicated and documented, i choose to keep entertaining the mystery of it. (especialy since i've seen footage of crop circle construction by normal folks and STILL don't think it explains or is capable of reproducing most formations)

...and the Coral Castle guy should've gotten the girl! since he didn't...i'll leave him his mystery! ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:13 pm 
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Hey Rev

You can certainly do as you like but one has to ask why take such an open and clear case and make it 'mysterious'?


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but it's not clear, lune, and it can never be. there is no record of how the ONE man who constructed Coral Castle did it. evidence can lead to a good educated guess and experimentation can even increase the probability...after that, belief in the validity of the explanation becomes nothing more than choice and degree of investment. i am all for someone else being fully invested in their chosen explanatin for any given situation/observation/phenomenon. when someone demonstrates how THEY could have accomplished some feat, it only shows how that person could've done it...not necessarily how it was actualy done. that's enough to suspend my full investment for this case...and i will, and have, found the same for anything...so i suspect (limited investment) many things, i believe ( increasing investment ) some things, but i know (full investment) only that i seem to exist.

...it's quite fun living in my head...
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Well have fun!


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exactly! as long as there are people like you, civilization will grind forward and people like me will watch the clouds and think about thinking.
check this out : http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
i just heard of PEAR two days ago, but i've been reading other peoples inquests into the nature of consciousness for awhile. i minored in philosophy & would've majored except for the stodgy aire of the philosophy department at my alma mater.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:55 am 
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Well Rev its always good to think about thinking but don't think to much as the thinking you thunk will not include reality.

Mr. P - yep shut it down, after how many decades and how many millions down the rat hole... they got what back what exactly?

Belief is nice, belief based on reality is useful belief based on a rejection of reality is nonsense


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:49 pm 
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i'm guessing you didnt read any of the research, lune. too bad. here is another link you can avoid reading in order to help maintain the rigidity of your reality.
[url=http://www.blog4brains.com/2006/12/10/quantum-physics-and-you/

heck,]http://www.blog4brains.com/2006/12/10/quantum-physics-and-you/

heck,[/url] here's a slew of 'em to avoid!
http://fusionanomaly.net/quantummechanics.html
http://www.alternative-health-ebooks.com/articles/quantum-physics.php
http://www.heaven-words.com/33.htm
[url=http://www.idquantique.com/products/files/quantis-mcu04.pdf

]http://www.idquantique.com/products/files/quantis-mcu04.pdf

[/url]
and if there's a coup de gras (er...grace...coup de grace), this b it:
[url=http://digg.com/general_sciences/Amazing_Google_Vid-_Quantum_Physics_Double_Slit_Experiment_

]http://digg.com/general....ent_

[/url]
(Edited by ThaRevrendAl at 8:49 am on Feb. 16, 2007)


(Edited by ThaRevrendAl at 10:18 am on Feb. 16, 2007)


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Huh? You completely changed the subject Rev

Quantum physics is reality

Remote viewing and other things don't seem to work, and are not part of reality.

Really don't get your point

Sorry no "rigidity of reality" I just happen to know that a guy who states as fact that aliens could move 600 ton stones and we cannot, doesn't know jack. LOL


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sorry, lune. i didn't see myself sliding away from the thread, but i guess i did. i suppose the point that was hidden in there is that expectation affects outcome, even with "empirical"data. the hard finds of archaeology fit into expected images of reality. if sitchin expects to see evidence supporting his theories or hypotheses, then he will. if someone else expects that same evidence to contradict sitchin, then most likely it will validate whatever their belief of reality is. but i already think i can say that you don't agree with me here. reality is reality. fact it fact. i DON'T believe that, but so what.

i DO believe that mainstream academia ignores inconvenient facts. i DO suspect that mainstream academia works to defame individuals who promote those inconvenient facts. i DO think mr sitchin has a pre-conceived notion which he selectively supports; and i DO think he has some valuable ideas.

sitchin doesn't say that we cannot move 600 tons, he says we cannot lift 1000 tons. at least let's say what he got wrong right. (wow. all these threads are getting muddled. sorry for my contribution to the muddling. well...sorta sorry.)

OH! and i DO think mainstream academia has alot going for it. i don't hate academia, i just think it, like all institutions, deserves to be watched closely and skeptically. (and of course the fringe should be watched the same way)


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Howdy Rev

Sorry I must contradict you. Sitchin does claim that moderns cannot lift 600 tons

From his website

" Its ruins stand atop a platform that rose even higher by rows of perfectly shaped stone blocks weighing some 600 tons each. (Fig. 3); this is a weight that no existing modern equipment can lift."

http://www.sitchin.com/

About half way down after figure 2.

What inconvient facts are being ignored? There are things that are not known and are being research. Could you name one of these facts (archaeological related) that you are talking about?

In most cases when people make this claim it is about something that is not valid or has been looked at and rejected years if not decades ago.

What "valuable" ideas does Sitchin have? Are any of these based on facts?

I cannot stand academia myself (the culture) but it has it uses. Its best feature is its self-correcting nature. It might take a decade but new information IS incorporated. I find in the fringe world that discredited information stays around forever!


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