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Ljm: welcome! and thanks for the thought-provoking post. i agree with your suspicions on the religiosity of sitchin. i've always sensed religious motivations and religious bias in his books, but i still accept most of his well-evidenced theories.

i know of two ex-christian theologians who no longer believe in the judeo-christian "god", but each has replaced that former belief with a personal version. many others seem connected by an invisible "umbilical cord" with "something out there". i write it off as just our 50% annunaki genes craving for a reunion.



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thanks for the response. i do agree that humans, especially we that have been subjected to all the carefully orchestrated religious brainwashing for thousands of years, do indeed have a need to "believe" in something, even those of us who have decided not to be the submissive subservient controllable sheep the annunaki want us to be: at least that is my opinion from my studies and observations. and i am not immune to this syndrome myself. i certianly don't believe that physical death is the end of concsciousness, however, neither do i believe that any teachings on spirituality derived from the annunaki are valid. i have studied native american spirituality and find much validity there. i'm also beginning studies in budhism. but i tend to wonder if the answer to real spiritualiy (for wont of a better word) doesn't reside inside each of us. maybe this is why the a. wanted so vehemently to keep mankind so subservient to something: for if we were allowed to "believe" and "revere" ourselves, our power would far outshine and possibly surpass them. after all, remember the "tower of babel".

i'm sorry if i sound like i'm waxing poetic. it's just that it is so good to be able to put my thoughts into words. if i were to say these things to anyone i know --- well, lets just say, it would'nt go over very well. good to have discussions with people of like minds.


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Ljm: another thought-provoking post! a big 10-4 on the "brainwashing", "need to believe", "submissive, subservient, controllable sheep", and "this syndrome".

your "spirituality" and my "genetic craving" may, in the end, turn out to be the same thing???

as to the post-death survival of "individual consciousness", an interesting concept. perhaps our individual "consciousness"/"spirit"/"soul" will rejoin the anunnaki??? i doubt it, but who knows? similar to whatever is sitchin's residual religiosity???

"waxing poetic" or not, you're doing a great job of expressing your thoughts and ideas. and, don't feel badly - i've also learned that none i know are interested my views on such and they have a vast selection of tools for deflection and dismission beyond which no discussion is possible. we rapidly become "islands unto ourselves".



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from one "island" to another. you're right. i do feel like an island. again, good to be able to talk.

your comment about rejoining the annunaki has put me to thinking. when i first starting reading sitchen's work, i was very enamored with the idea of meeting with and knowing them, first hand. i do belive that they are still on this planet. according to sitchen's history, subterranean environments seemed to play a large part in their existence here. i can imagine quite elaborate and visually breathtaking underground abodes. in any event, i don't think they have all left earth. they have far too much invested in this planet and its inhabitants to leave us to our own devices. in fact, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if they are even interacting among us - subtlely of course - the power behind the thrones so to speak - leading the course of history in the direction they want it to go. if that were the case, it is easy to see why all the religious conflict and wars. nothing like keeping people divided and fighting with each other to control them. again, still excercising that control over their creations. but i digress.

as i was saying, i really wanted to interact with them and learn, first hand, about their and our histories. but, as i have studied more, thought more and read between the lines more, i am not sure that a meeting with these people would really be that beneficial for me or any human being. after all, they took great pains to make us subservient and i always keep coming back to the sole reason we were created in the first place - as expendable working livestock - to be born, live, and die in gold mines. we were lab rats with a purpose.

another thought i have had along those lines involves ufo abductions. i have never really studied abductions much but i have just recently read a book by graham hancock called "supernatural". it concerns shamanism and the similar types of hallucinations they and others have experienced while in trances, etc. he likens these hallucinations with very credible experiences by alien abductees. i do not agree with hancocks conclusions - that rather than "the mind" or "a space ship", these people travel to another diminsion. with my knowledge of the a. and our past and the fact that i believe they are still here and still experimenting with us, i tend to go more with the idea of a physical space ship.

but even though i believe that the a. don't really have much regard for us as sentient beings and do not see us as anything close to equals, i would still give my "eye tooth" as the saying goes, to meet one like enki maybe. at least he has a regard for us in a scientific nature. just think of what we could learn. it might be worth a little groveling - maybe.


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Ljm: ahoy, other island! i may be 100% wrong, but i'm convinced that the 'nakis left around 1600bce because of a predicted collision between earth & what is now venus. but they all didn't leave in the rush (perhaps due to low capacity and short time), so some were abandoned. there have been finds of 10 foot-tall female and 12 foot-tall male skeletons in the u.s.

originally, there were about 600 'nakis here before they created man, the vast majority of them living underground and mining gold. that's why the miners went on strike and the royals created humans to do the work. the many published speculations that there are now nakis underground is a take-off, spin on the original circumstances. my guesstimates are that they could live on earth for only about 360,000 years of revolutions around our sun. if most of them arrived 450,000 years ago, then they either returned to their home well before 1600 bce or died here. remember the young godess of the indus valley who became "the old cow"?

i'd love to meet the 'nakis, too. i've had a few incidents of "scallops" on my upper arms - a supposed sign of abduction - but have zero recall of such an experience and have never seen a ufo. cest la vie, fellow lab rat!



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Hi again. in support of your comment about 10 and 12 ft skeletons being found, i have seen a 10 to 12 ft. coffin in the egyptian museum in cairo. it was not one of the many outer boxes that fit inside each other. it was the actual coffin that the body was laid in. this particular one was just stacked against a wall with other coffins of regular size. i asked one of the museum employees why the size difference and was given some off-the-cuff answer that made it quite evident that he had no explanation. i know that the a. were supposed to be giants, in relation to us. however, if we started from chimpanzees, we were pretty small humans. alexander the great was purported to be part a. and he was a very small man. with all the interbreeding the a. did with humans, the height of each species must have changed until both a. and humans were relatively closely the same height. however, i must say that every time i see some exceptionally tall man or woman, i think that the original a. genes are still coming out from time to time.

it may be that the original a. are not still here but certainly their offspring must be. some of the a. offspring were knowledgeable about their heritage and given the secrets of the a. i.e. knowledge and long life. marduks son, nabu was only half a. but was allowed to be at marduk's right hand and was considered a "god" himself. i am certain that other a. offspring are probably still here and with their diluted genes, can very easily interact with the human population.

wouldn't it be great to know for sure.


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I think some of the original a. died on earth before the great departure and all the abandoned ones afterwards.

i think the created humans were 1/2 a. genes and still are. if an a. mated with a human - which they often did, their offspring would be 3/4 a. genetically. but as these bred with humans for generations, the percentage would asym. approach 1/2 - unless 3/4 only bred with 3/4.

yes, it would be great to know for sure. like the tall egyptian casket, the truth is obscured by establishment science and religions.



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Hey again
back to whether the a. or their descendants are still alive and well on planet earth; i have been perplexed by the fact that a civilization as advanced as the a. are, and who lived on this planet for tens of thousands of years, in as many places as they did (probably every continent), did not leave more artifacts. even sitchin has not mentioned many factual artifacts that would prove their existence. these people had space ships, airplanes, helicopters, advanced medical, architectural, and engineering equipment. all these things use parts. why have none of these things been discovered. i think this is a large reason that so many people tend to disbelieve sitchen's interpretations of the sumerian tablets. there is simply not enough physical evidence to substantiate their existence. after all, other civilizations confined to much smaller areas have left numerous artifacts to prove they were here - pottery, implements, evidence of fires - any number of items. why is it so difficult to discover technology of the a. i tend to believe that their descendents who are still here, are constantly cleaning up the evidence and have been for thousands of years. the reason: back to the control factor again. they don't want humanity to know the truth. only people ignorant of the truth, can be controlled. by hiding the evidence, they're hiding the truth.

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Interesting theory of yours. but, i think they did leave evidence, such as the gp and the launch pad up in the cedars of lebanon, all rationalized away by establishment science.. the rest they nuked or sent off to venus or a black hole? they were here for about 450,000 years, so it musta been a helluva cleanup. but they had about 2,600 year to git 'er done before their departure and lotsa slave maids to do it. i agree that they didn't want us to know the truth.



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Most definitely there is evidence of some advanced culture. i have been to peru and seen some incredible stone structures that, i'm sorry, just could not have been built by primatives using stone hammers. there are structures with nooks and crannies, holes, niches, steps etc. honestly, the shapes simply defy reason. solid granite looks like a large piece of butter someone has used a knife to cut out precise shapes. even the archeologists cannot give a reasonable explanation. my theory is that these structures were built to house heavy machinery of some kind, the same reason the landing platforms at balbek, peru and other places were constructed. hence the strange shapes. so, if this is true, i would expect that a few gears or levers or whatnot might show up. but, undoubtedly not.

but until and if some knowledge we don't know comes to light, theories are all we have. at least i am thinking.


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You've certainly been to some interesting places!!!

i think that most of such sites were used for ore processing/concentrating. was there a big aquaduct feeding the site? any cascading pools [always wrongly assigned the function of religious cleansing]? have you ever seen ore crushing equipment? due the forces, stresses, vibration, etc., they're pretty massive.

i think the a. had lasers for precision cutting of construction stone right out of the quarry ground or cliffs. many of the stones have interlocking features which were for earthquake resistance or to endure blast-off of rockets.

yes, it seems such extremely old sites have been cleansed.



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Yeah. i have been to some wonderful places but there are a lot more i want to see. i found an alternative spiritual organization called astara, that used to have a trip each year to some ancient religious site. even tho i had long since relegated religion to the realm of mythology, it was a great way to see, what i thought, were a. sites. after all, most of the a. sites have been determined (by people who have no idea) to be constructed for religious purposes. you're right. any structure that people can't understand is always touted as something related to a civilization's "religion". astara is a very eclectic organization and did not mind that i just wanted to travel with them to see and study the places. unfortunately, astara has curtailed their trips but i think the travel agency they used is still doing such trips. i am going to check it out anyway. i really want to go the lake titicaca next. this is supposed to be a big a. site as well. i have some great pictures of the places i have been. i was already into sitchen when i started these trips so i actually have picts of many of the things he has talked about in his books. i guess that is why i have so many theories. it is so wonderful to stand on the very ground that the a. stood and constructed their monuments and try to vizualize what they did, and how they lived and thought. sometimes, just "seeing" a little thing will trigger a thought.

your comment about ore processing equipment - i think you are exactly right about that. many of the structures i described in my last post, were constructed for, what i believe, was ore processing machinery and the refining of gold and other minerals. i also agree with the lasers for cutting stone. one of the things people don't hear about concerning machu picchu is the elaborate water system. a perfect example of precision cutting of solid granite that connects the whole site.

well, talking with you has definitely gotten me going again. i am going to pull all my pictures of my external hard drive where they are stored and go thru them again. good to be excited again.


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I envy your visits to the a. sites! and am glad that you're re-excited.

were i touring a site, i'd ask, "why would an engineer do this? how did he do it?"

i think every archaeo should be required to take along a mining engineer, a civil engineer, a metalurgist, and a chemist - at least. archaeos focus on the builgings and pottery shards, not the infrastructure - let alone look for nearby abandoned mines or slag pits from processing. future visits might require other technical specialists.



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could it be that sitchen is having a bit of trouble ditching all of the old religion ideas that have been very cleverly forced on us for the purpose of control and manipulation of the masses, and has felt the need to continue to have "something" of a supernatural nature to "believe in"

after reading sitchen's last book, the end of days, i would have to say he has suddenly taken a religious bent and speaks a lot of "saviors" and the repeat of cycles of time. his religious bent in the very first book was there right from the start, he wanted to know what the actual basic resources said. he took off from there. now he seems to be backpedaling. an older man facing his mortality suddenly wants to make things right? or, maybe he never stopped believing? i know he blew up the old testament for me. it is a good history, it just doesn't tell the whole story. it no longer seems to be the word of god, but the word of whomever happened to be in charge at the time. the new testament wasn't exactly created by the word of god either, since the meeting to decide which books should be in the nt was decided by a group of politicians who knew what they needed to keep the masses at bay. sorry if i sound cynical. jesus' words in the nt are very different than all those that followed and that we hear on tv and radio now.

so where does that leave us with the anunnaki? where are they hiding? one person said, "right out in the open." they said the catholic church. what other groups control our destiny? i want the balance sheets for every investor in the world. hahahaha. ok, but it would tell a story if such a thing were possible. i hope they are deep into aig. maybe that is why we bailed them out. oh... doh!! how many billion can we put down a sink hole? who runs the world?

i guess all we can do is keep watching, and don't let the debunkers sway you, for they will come. it all hangs together for those with enough insight and ability to filter the lies. that doesn't mean you will be popular though, so be careful what you say to whom.

hiya mr. pp



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Hiya, arnik, too long no hear from! i totally agree with your first paragraph re sitchin and the holy babble.



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